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		<title>By: Jen Kamel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen Kamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jul 2010 01:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Lisa!

To my knowledge, the state has not published this same data for 2009.

Warmly,

Jen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lisa!</p>
<p>To my knowledge, the state has not published this same data for 2009.</p>
<p>Warmly,</p>
<p>Jen</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://vbacfacts.com/2009/05/17/vbac-cesarean-rates-of-california-hospitals-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-7992</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jul 2010 23:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I get a link to the 2009 version of these same statistics?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where can I get a link to the 2009 version of these same statistics?</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 May 2010 22:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks sweetie for the PDF from 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks sweetie for the PDF from 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: Jen Kamel</title>
		<link>http://vbacfacts.com/2009/05/17/vbac-cesarean-rates-of-california-hospitals-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-7249</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen Kamel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 18:46:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Evelyn,
I obtained the 2006 and 2007 Hospital Volume and Utilization Indicators data from the Healthcare Information Division of the Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development.  If you look at the page &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/HID/Products/PatDischargeData/ResearchReports/HospIPQualInd/Vol-Util_IndicatorsRpt/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, you will see older data, but nothing for 2008.  I was able to find this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/HID/Products/PatDischargeData/ResearchReports/HospIPQualInd/Vol-Util_IndicatorsRpt/AHRQ_UTILIZATION_2008.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;PDF of the 2008 numbers&lt;/a&gt; via a google search of the site, but I can&#039;t find the data in Excel (which I would need for sorting.)  The 2009 numbers haven&#039;t been published yet.  Hope that helps!
Warmly,
Jen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Evelyn,<br />
I obtained the 2006 and 2007 Hospital Volume and Utilization Indicators data from the Healthcare Information Division of the Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development.  If you look at the page <a href="http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/HID/Products/PatDischargeData/ResearchReports/HospIPQualInd/Vol-Util_IndicatorsRpt/index.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>, you will see older data, but nothing for 2008.  I was able to find this <a href="http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/HID/Products/PatDischargeData/ResearchReports/HospIPQualInd/Vol-Util_IndicatorsRpt/AHRQ_UTILIZATION_2008.pdf" rel="nofollow">PDF of the 2008 numbers</a> via a google search of the site, but I can&#8217;t find the data in Excel (which I would need for sorting.)  The 2009 numbers haven&#8217;t been published yet.  Hope that helps!<br />
Warmly,<br />
Jen</p>
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		<title>By: Evelyn</title>
		<link>http://vbacfacts.com/2009/05/17/vbac-cesarean-rates-of-california-hospitals-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-7239</link>
		<dc:creator>Evelyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 May 2010 01:16:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Jen,
 Where can I find VBAC rates for CA hospitals for 2008 and 2009. I&#039;m currently trying to find the hospital with the best VBAC rates in my area and I am really getting the run around by the people I speak with on the phone. Anything you&#039;ve got would be a great help. Thanks.

Love ya,
 Evelyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Jen,<br />
 Where can I find VBAC rates for CA hospitals for 2008 and 2009. I&#8217;m currently trying to find the hospital with the best VBAC rates in my area and I am really getting the run around by the people I speak with on the phone. Anything you&#8217;ve got would be a great help. Thanks.</p>
<p>Love ya,<br />
 Evelyn</p>
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		<title>By: Jen from vbacfacts.com</title>
		<link>http://vbacfacts.com/2009/05/17/vbac-cesarean-rates-of-california-hospitals-2007/comment-page-1/#comment-6354</link>
		<dc:creator>Jen from vbacfacts.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Dec 2009 04:30:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Peter!

Thanks for leaving your comment.  You sound like a fellow number cruncher and I always appreciate feedback so I can make the content better!

The column heading definitions can be found at the top of the article where &quot;VBAC, Uncomplicated&quot; is defined as excluding &quot;abnormal presentation, preterm birth, fetal death, multiple gestation, and breech procedures&quot; whereas &quot;VBAC&quot; includes all VBACs attended at that facility.

Looking at your example of Alameda County Medical Center, they list 50 uncomplicated VBACs and 55 VBACs total.  This means that they had 5 VBACs that were complicated: &quot;abnormal presentation, preterm birth, fetal death, multiple gestation, and breech procedures.&quot; 

I would also love to have all of the information you listed in one database and have spent many hours trying to make that available.  Unfortunately, we can only work with what is made available by the state and are limited by the quality of the data.  

At the time I wrote this article, I was working with two databases containing a few hundred variables each maintained by the the state of California&#039;s Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development.  I was unable to combine these two databases since they did not share a unique identifier column.  I have shared the VBAC data from the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/HID/Products/PatDischargeData/ResearchReports/HospIPQualInd/Vol-Util_IndicatorsRpt/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Utilization Rates database&lt;/a&gt;.  It&#039;s not that I&#039;m comparing the variables per se, but just sharing the information that the state collected.

The other database was entitled &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/HID/Products/Hospitals/Utilization/Hospital_Utilization.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Hospital Annual Utilization Data&lt;/a&gt; which contained some of the variables you wanted and more.  Would be really wonderful to combine those two databases so that consumers can get a more complete picture of their local hospital options.

I shared this information because it can be used by different people in a multitude of ways.  For women pregnant with their first child, they might consider the primary and total cesarean rates of their local hospitals.  The World Health Organization recommends a 10-15% cesarean rate, so women can use that as a benchmark in deciding for themselves if a hospital performs to many cesareans.

For women pregnant after a cesarean, they would be interested in the VBAC rate.  A hospital with a 4% VBAC rate is not a VBAC friendly hospital and any woman admitted to that hospital seeking a VBAC will likely be viewed as an anomaly.  Women seeking VBAC should strongly consider the hospital, and OB practice, with the highest VBAC rate.  

I wish I could freeze the frame so the table would be easier to read.  Unfortunately, copying and pasting the table from Excel into the article is a lot more difficult than it would seem (column widths/fonts/colors spontaneously changing) and I got to a point, after several hours, that I just had to get it the best I could and stop.  I have provided a PDF file that has the table headings at the top of each page which you can download &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/HID/Products/PatDischargeData/ResearchReports/HospIPQualInd/Vol-Util_IndicatorsRpt/2007Util.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt; and easily print.

Thanks again!

Warmly,

Jen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Peter!</p>
<p>Thanks for leaving your comment.  You sound like a fellow number cruncher and I always appreciate feedback so I can make the content better!</p>
<p>The column heading definitions can be found at the top of the article where &#8220;VBAC, Uncomplicated&#8221; is defined as excluding &#8220;abnormal presentation, preterm birth, fetal death, multiple gestation, and breech procedures&#8221; whereas &#8220;VBAC&#8221; includes all VBACs attended at that facility.</p>
<p>Looking at your example of Alameda County Medical Center, they list 50 uncomplicated VBACs and 55 VBACs total.  This means that they had 5 VBACs that were complicated: &#8220;abnormal presentation, preterm birth, fetal death, multiple gestation, and breech procedures.&#8221; </p>
<p>I would also love to have all of the information you listed in one database and have spent many hours trying to make that available.  Unfortunately, we can only work with what is made available by the state and are limited by the quality of the data.  </p>
<p>At the time I wrote this article, I was working with two databases containing a few hundred variables each maintained by the the state of California&#8217;s Office of Statewide Health Planning and Development.  I was unable to combine these two databases since they did not share a unique identifier column.  I have shared the VBAC data from the <a href="http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/HID/Products/PatDischargeData/ResearchReports/HospIPQualInd/Vol-Util_IndicatorsRpt/index.html" rel="nofollow">Utilization Rates database</a>.  It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m comparing the variables per se, but just sharing the information that the state collected.</p>
<p>The other database was entitled <a href="http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/HID/Products/Hospitals/Utilization/Hospital_Utilization.html" rel="nofollow">Hospital Annual Utilization Data</a> which contained some of the variables you wanted and more.  Would be really wonderful to combine those two databases so that consumers can get a more complete picture of their local hospital options.</p>
<p>I shared this information because it can be used by different people in a multitude of ways.  For women pregnant with their first child, they might consider the primary and total cesarean rates of their local hospitals.  The World Health Organization recommends a 10-15% cesarean rate, so women can use that as a benchmark in deciding for themselves if a hospital performs to many cesareans.</p>
<p>For women pregnant after a cesarean, they would be interested in the VBAC rate.  A hospital with a 4% VBAC rate is not a VBAC friendly hospital and any woman admitted to that hospital seeking a VBAC will likely be viewed as an anomaly.  Women seeking VBAC should strongly consider the hospital, and OB practice, with the highest VBAC rate.  </p>
<p>I wish I could freeze the frame so the table would be easier to read.  Unfortunately, copying and pasting the table from Excel into the article is a lot more difficult than it would seem (column widths/fonts/colors spontaneously changing) and I got to a point, after several hours, that I just had to get it the best I could and stop.  I have provided a PDF file that has the table headings at the top of each page which you can download <a href="http://www.oshpd.ca.gov/HID/Products/PatDischargeData/ResearchReports/HospIPQualInd/Vol-Util_IndicatorsRpt/2007Util.pdf" rel="nofollow">here</a> and easily print.</p>
<p>Thanks again!</p>
<p>Warmly,</p>
<p>Jen</p>
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		<title>By: peter sherman</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter sherman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Nov 2009 04:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>would be helpful for explanation of the column headings (for example, unclear what &quot;uncomp&quot; references.  Additional columns of data would also help (although some of them can be calculated in our heads) such as: total number of births, secondary (tertiary etc.) CS, rates of problemmatic vbacs (and rates of problems for all the birthing methods etc.  so, for alameda (as an example) i think i am seeing that 5 of the 55 vbac WERE complicated (as the other 50 were &quot;uncomp&quot; which i assume means uncomplicated. 5 complications out of 55 is a risk factor that will concern me (depending on how a complication is defined).  So, great data set but as presented difficult to interpret.  if you really want to get it perfect, use a freeze frame approach on the column heading row... so that we scroll down the column headings remain in a fixed position.  your approach of providing data so that we can draw our own conclusions is great.  just needs some additional work to make it fully useful.   finally, hard to know why you are comparing vbac to primary cs as a vbac requires a primary cs to be considered a vbac.  better to compare vbac to secondary cs rates... or am i missing something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>would be helpful for explanation of the column headings (for example, unclear what &#8220;uncomp&#8221; references.  Additional columns of data would also help (although some of them can be calculated in our heads) such as: total number of births, secondary (tertiary etc.) CS, rates of problemmatic vbacs (and rates of problems for all the birthing methods etc.  so, for alameda (as an example) i think i am seeing that 5 of the 55 vbac WERE complicated (as the other 50 were &#8220;uncomp&#8221; which i assume means uncomplicated. 5 complications out of 55 is a risk factor that will concern me (depending on how a complication is defined).  So, great data set but as presented difficult to interpret.  if you really want to get it perfect, use a freeze frame approach on the column heading row&#8230; so that we scroll down the column headings remain in a fixed position.  your approach of providing data so that we can draw our own conclusions is great.  just needs some additional work to make it fully useful.   finally, hard to know why you are comparing vbac to primary cs as a vbac requires a primary cs to be considered a vbac.  better to compare vbac to secondary cs rates&#8230; or am i missing something.</p>
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		<title>By: Sheila Dash</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sheila Dash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 20:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WOW! I can&#039;t believe Kaiser of Riverside is one of the highest VBAC success right under Loma Linda!! I&#039;m in disbelief because how the heck does anyone GET a VBAC cuz you have to go into labor naturally before 41 wks or else its CS or induction. And with an induction, they push the epi on you, dont let you even get out of bed to pee, and after 10 hours and only 5 cm, OFF TO THE OR YOU GO!! I would know, I&#039;ve had 2 csections at that horrible place, and the longest they ever let me labor (the first time, was 15 hrs)...no big baby crap (my kids were 6 and 7 lbs), just FAILURE TO WAIT! I will never go back there...and here I thought it was a safe place to be cuz Dr Bruce Flamm works there, HAHA! Anyways, after my failed VBAC, they actually roomed me next to a 1st time mom, uncomplicated VB with like 6 hrs of labor...how more RUDE could they be?!?!

&lt;em&gt;Note from VBAC Facts - This comment was originally left at &lt;a href=&quot;http://vbacfacts.com/2008/05/28/vbac-cesarean-rates-of-california-hospitals-2006/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;VBAC &amp; Cesarean Rates of California Hospitals, 2006&lt;/a&gt; but due to a technical error, which I&#039;m unable to correct, it moved to this page.&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WOW! I can&#8217;t believe Kaiser of Riverside is one of the highest VBAC success right under Loma Linda!! I&#8217;m in disbelief because how the heck does anyone GET a VBAC cuz you have to go into labor naturally before 41 wks or else its CS or induction. And with an induction, they push the epi on you, dont let you even get out of bed to pee, and after 10 hours and only 5 cm, OFF TO THE OR YOU GO!! I would know, I&#8217;ve had 2 csections at that horrible place, and the longest they ever let me labor (the first time, was 15 hrs)&#8230;no big baby crap (my kids were 6 and 7 lbs), just FAILURE TO WAIT! I will never go back there&#8230;and here I thought it was a safe place to be cuz Dr Bruce Flamm works there, HAHA! Anyways, after my failed VBAC, they actually roomed me next to a 1st time mom, uncomplicated VB with like 6 hrs of labor&#8230;how more RUDE could they be?!?!</p>
<p><em>Note from VBAC Facts &#8211; This comment was originally left at <a href="http://vbacfacts.com/2008/05/28/vbac-cesarean-rates-of-california-hospitals-2006/" rel="nofollow">VBAC &#038; Cesarean Rates of California Hospitals, 2006</a> but due to a technical error, which I&#8217;m unable to correct, it moved to this page.</em></p>
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