“No one can force you to have a cesarean” is false

by Jan 6, 2016Cesarean section, Legal Issues, VBAC, VBAC Bans26 comments

Update: Since this article was originally published, it has been updated with several new resources (listed at the bottom) as well as a video.

“No one can force you to have a cesarean.” I see this all the time in message boards.

Don’t worry about

… the VBAC ban

…your unsupportive provider

… your provider’s 40 week deadline

… [insert other VBAC barrier here]no one can force you to have a cesarean.

That’s just not true.

Let’s start with what is ethical and legal: Yes, no one can legally force you to have a cesarean.

ACOG even says in their latest VBAC guidelines that “restrictive VBAC policies should not be used to force women to undergo a repeat cesarean delivery against their will.” So even if your facility has a VBAC ban, they still cannot force you to have surgery… legally or ethically.

But then you have reality: It happens all the time, but it may look different than you expect.

It’s often NOT a woman screaming “I do not consent” as she is wheeled into the OR, though that has happened.

It’s through lies. It’s through fear.

“The risk of uterine rupture is 25%.”

“Do you want a healthy baby or a birth experience?”

Hospital policy and provider preference are presented as superseding the woman’s right to decline surgery.

“No one attends VBAC here.”

“It’s against our policy.”

“We don’t allow VBACs.”

Or unreasonable timelines are assigned giving the woman the illusion of choice.

“You have to go into labor by 39 weeks.”

“Your labor can’t be longer than 12 hours.”

“You have to dilate at least 1 centimeter per hour.”

Or it can be a slow process where a seemingly once supportive provider quietly withdraws support exchanging words of encouragement with caution. Dr. Brad Bootstaylor, an Atlanta based OBGYN, describes how this can unfold at 4:00 in this video after a woman describes her experience:

Or, if the birthing parents don’t listen, it can escalate to calling social services, ordering a psychiatric evaluation, or even getting a court order for a forced cesarean.

It can be as simple as, “Your baby is in distress.” How do you know if this is true or not? Are you willing to take that risk?

Some people suggest that parents should learn how to interpret fetal heart tones so they can evaluate their baby’s status. But I think this is a wholly unreasonable expectation for non-medical professionals, especially when one is in labor. It is as much an art as it is a science.

In short, coercion frequently isn’t by physical force. It’s through manipulation. This is why it’s worth your time and effort to search for a supportive provider who you trust to attend your birth.

Don’t just think, “Well, I can hire anyone and simply refuse.”

Sometimes it’s not that simple as Rinat Dray, was forced to have a cesarean, and Kimberly Turbin, who received a 12-cut episiotomy while yelling “Do not cut me,” know all too well.

This is just one of many myths floating around. Download my free report on uterine rupture myths to learn more.

Update April 24, 2019:

A reader said, “This article is inaccurate. A judge in Wilkes-Barre issued an order forced C-section, against the patient’s wishes because of the size of the baby. You definitely CAN be legally forced to have a c-section.”

My reply: “Just as 994 rapists out of 1000 typically go free… so does that mean rape is legal? No. It means those judgement are wrong. Just like the case you mention.

Many judges and attorneys don’t really understand the concepts of informed consent and patient autonomy relative to maternity care.

This is why we need more attorneys who do like Hermine Hayes-Klein and Diana Snyder so they can educate the court on these issues so we don’t have more bad judgments/decisions.

Read this excellent post by Hermine for more detail.”

Diana Snyder replied, “Jen is right. Judges can get the law wrong. Happens a lot, actually.

To my knowledge no forced cesarean that has been litigated (meaning challenged by lawsuit later) has actually been upheld on appeal. They are overturned when the law is correctly applied by a higher court.

Ultimately though I think we are all saying the same thing, which is that just because something is illegal, doesn’t mean it can’t happen, because the law gets broken and misapplied all the time.”

Resources Cited

ACLU. (n.d.). Coercive and punitive governmental responses womens conduct during pregnancy. Retrieved from ACLU: https://www.aclu.org/coercive-and-punitive-governmental-responses-womens-conduct-during-pregnancy

Cantor, J. D. (2012, Jun 14). Court-Ordered Care — A Complication of Pregnancy to Avoid. New England Journal of Medicine, 366, 2237-2240. Retrieved from http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1203742?

Hartocollis, A. (2014, May 16). Mother accuses doctors of forcing a c-section and files suit. Retrieved from The New York Times: http://nytimes.com/2014/05/17/nyregion/mother-accuses-doctors-of-forcing-a-c-section-and-files-suit.html?referrer=&_r=0

Hayes-Klein, H. (2015, Jan 14) Amicus Brief for Rinat Dray v. Staten Island Memorial Hospital, 2014. Retrieved from: https://s3.amazonaws.com/birthmonopoly/Dray-Amicus-Brief-Jan-2015.pdf

International Cesarean Awareness Network. (n.d.). Your right to refuse: What to do if your hospital has “banned” VBAC. Retrieved from Feminist Women’s Health Center: http://www.fwhc.org/health/pdf_about_vbac.pdf

Jacobson, J. (2014, Jul 25). Florida hospital demands woman undergo forced c-section. Retrieved from RH Reality Check: http://rhrealitycheck.org/article/2014/07/25/florida-hospital-demands-woman-undergo-forced-c-section/

Kamel, J. (2012, Mar 2). Options for a mom who will be ‘forced’ to have a cesarean. Retrieved from VBAC Facts: https://www.vbacfacts.com/2012/03/02/options-mom-forced-repeat-cs/

Maryland Families for Safe Birth. (2015, Jan 28). The truth about VBAC: Maryland families need access. Retrieved from YouTube: https://youtu.be/C5nymk3IGqE

Paltrow, L. M., & Flavin, J. (2013, April). Arrests of and forced interventions on pregnant women in the United States, 1973-2005: Implications for women’s legal status and public health. Journal of Health Politics, Policy and Law, 38(2), 299-343. Retrieved from http://jhppl.dukejournals.org/content/early/2013/01/15/03616878-1966324.full.pdf+html

Pascucci, C. (2015, Jun 4). Press Release: Woman charges OB with assault & battery for forced episiotomy. Retrieved from Improving Birth: http://improvingbirth.org/2015/06/preview-woman-charges-ob-with-assault-battery-for-forced-episiotomy/

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  1. i did have a Dr that i trusted. But when the baby is coming NOW and your Dr is not present or available you are at the mercy of the attending parties. this is where and when my issues began. My first daughter was breech, tried their hardest to turn her around before even thinking or mentioning a c-section. even had an xray done which is rare to see why they could not turn her. sitting with her legs crossed like a little indian she was, with hands on knees like she was trying to say “im just fine right where i am, thank you”. but she was overdue, my water had broken and i was dialating. Still they said they would wait as long as they could to see if she would turn herself before dropping. Well, she was content where she sat so 12 hours later they got me ready for a c section and allowed her father attendance to the birth as i was put under because my body decided to go into shock. I knew it was true because i couldnt stop it shaking. also i was told everything that was going to happen, each and every step they would do, what i could expect after and what they were doing right along as they were doing it until i went under. everything after that was witnessed and confirmed by my husband…(who saw more than he barganed for)
    Now that is what i call a Doctor!!! even with the surprise c section there were no other surprises involved throughout. he took care to make sure everything was told to us and understood. i will never in my lifetime forget the care we got from Dr. King. Exceptional !
    15 years later i was to have my 2nd child and wished it could be natural. although i was told it may not be a possibility it is what we could aim for. however to keep in mind that if there were any signs of complications it could change and the reasons for it. My water broke and i went into labor early but the Dr. was still confident i could have her naturally, but i would be monitered as a precaution, twelve hours of labor later she was without any medications or issues perfectly and naturally delivered.
    5 years later my 3rd was due. i now lived in florida. miami to be precise. and my Dr. was confident of another natural birth. i wasnt due for a few more weeks but like the other 2 my water again broke and like my 2nd baby who came early i started going into labor shortly thereafter. i could feel that he had dropped and was in the right position and proceeded to the hospital. My Dr. was not in town at the time but i was also early so i couldnt be upset with him for not being available. He had told me to let the hospital know i was having a natural childbirth which was discussed and planned for with my Dr. throughout the pregnancy. The attending Dr. said he was not comfotable with that decision since i had a prior c section so i was going to be delivering by c section again. it didnt matter how i protested and explained everything, he insisted at this point he was now my Dr, and he was schedualing me for a c section. The nurses on hand were no help as they were trainees or something and couldnt even get an iv in me as my arm was being made black and blue from their effort. i finally shook my head and said no im not going to accept this and asked my mate to get my clothes because we were leaving. astonished he asked me what i was thinking and i told him i was going to take the bus to the next hospital, i was keeping track of my labor since it started and we had plenty of time. Halfway there while waiting for the bus exchange my mate was so nervous he spotted a policeman who called an ambulance although the bus was just minutes up the road. not surprisingly though while in route the ambulance attendant had no problem starting an iv in one shot while moving. and arrived at the hospital just moments before the bus i would have taken. i was getting closer but still had time yet everyone seemed to be in such a hurry. apparently the first hospital notified the second hospital of my intentions and guess what. I was told without my Dr, present it was hospital policy that once you have had a c section they could deliver by c section only. and did i bring proof with me that i have been under a Dr,s care for the duration of my pregnancy?
    Proof?? who thinks at that time they would need to bring proof of having a doctor. look it up , call the dr. Who carries proof or thinks of it at 4am going into labor? again i refused, which i had the right to do and they said i should think about my actions and left me sitting in the room. tempted to gather my things but knowing i was getting too close to go elsewhere they sent in a psychotherapist that told me i had a choice of whether to cooperate with the hospital or be reported to social services for the endangerment of my child with the possibility of having him taken away from me. and was that what i wanted to see happen?
    This is severe intimidation if i ever saw it. But who wants to fight the medical practice at this point and time while possibly risking the loss of my son to the state in the process, They got their way. Last thing i remember hearing the Dr on duty say was for someone to hurry up before i had him myself…i laid there while they did what they did and waited till i saw my son and that he was okay before i fell asleep from the medication and exhaustion.
    i requested my son be brought to the room as soon as i woke up later that night so that i could care for him. keeping him near me and waking any time someone came in the room if i fell asleep while he slept. The following day DCF showed up at my room for a discussion and evaluation. i cant tell you the hell i was put through for the next several months. all due to the hospital saying i was trying to force them to take a risk that wasnt in their or the states policies!!!
    what about my policies…an informed decision…and freedom of choice…

  2. As a doula, I’ve seen a mother consent to a primary cesarean because the care provider was “nice” and seemed to be listening to what the mother had to say…all the while I’m screaming in my head that I know what the care provider is saying is complete lies. Yes, you are right that its a large burden to put on a parent to learn how to read fetal heart rate tracings…but as a doula who has attended many births…I pick up a few things. And when a provider says a cesarean is “needed” because the baby is in distress…but then after the mom consents, you find that the cesarean will not be performed for 6 hours because other women are lined up for surgery…and the fetal monitor tracing looks pretty good to you…well you kinda wonder if the baby really is in distress.

  3. My first baby was born via c-section at 41wks due to failed induction by pitocin and cervical balloon.i never dialated and had extreme vomiting entire pregnancy. Was given up option to try another day but i just wanted to not be pregnant any more. He was delivered with breathing complications and an unforeseen club foot, which he is still battling both even At #3.
    I am 32wks now with baby 2 and battling same severe vomiting this doctor started off very confident in me having a VBac and now is saying baby is going to be big and he will let me go to 39wks before planning a c-section and i found out he will be out of office the week of my due date. everyone in my family has big babies over 7lbs even up to 10.5lbs, my partner and i are both 6’2

  4. I was literally scared into a csection with my first baby. I was told he was way to big and that i would break his shoulders if i delivered him naturally. He came out way smaller than they said he was…. i defiantly could have had him the way i wanted (naturally) i regretted it so much.. 🙁
    Im now pregnant with baby #2 and I’m going to try for a vbac! my new hospital actually encourages vbacs, and I’m so excited to get that chance of the birth I’ve always wanted.

    • This is exactly what happened to me coerced and fear instilled in me that I get a emergency c section at 38 weeks and my son was born 9lbs. I nearly cried because I lost my first chance to have a natural birth because the doctor said no way I can have natural delivery. This is my 2nd pregnancy- 1st and 2nd providers basically concluded in the 1st appointment that because I am gestational diabetes I won’t be able to have natural delivery. I am in my 6 months now and still looking for a supportive provider. I am also in the midst of relocation but after reading be VBaC is possible- I will trust God it will happen to me and my 2nd baby girl.

  5. I’m 23 weeks pregnant I first saw my doctor at 14 weeks . The nurse was asking my birth history I told her my first birth was a vaginal birth no complications at 37 weeks baby weighing 7pds 8oz 2nd birth 40 weeks mild shoulder dystocia with no complications ( a maneuver was used to allow her shoulders to pass through ) weighing 8 pds 12oz . When the doctor came in the room the first thing he said was I will not be your Doctor unless you agree to get a C-section which I didn’t want I have had both babies no drugs no epidural , so this is clearly against my birth plan. I was clearly upset trying not to cry . I said my baby was fine I’m fine he responded by saying your lucky you both could of died or your baby could be mentally retarded ! I said can we just see how things go ( in my opinion 14 weeks is too early to plan a C-section ) . He said no because your babies are to big and the risks of your baby dying are high ! My previous doctors never said anything like that .I have been trying to find a new doctor but very few accept my insurance . I feel like I have no options and I’m being bullied into to serving the Doctors interest over mine .

    • Hi Carla!

      I am so sorry this is happening to you. Where do you live? Perhaps we can find you more supportive providers in your area. I’ve also posted your comment here to get more feedback.



  6. You can be forced into a cesarean. I was.

    My first was 7 weeks early due to severe hypertension/toxemia. They induced at 33 weeks and I labored unsuccessfully for days until my liver started failing. This birth ended in emergency cesarean.

    My second, I wanted a VBAC and did my research to find a VBAC friendly doctor who in the end said I had to go into labor by 39 weeks and they would not induce. I felt pressured to induce it naturally any way possible (castor oil, walking, sex) I started having weak contractions most likely caused by the castor oil and “failed to progress”. The doctors convinced me to have a second cesarean after over 12 hours of what I believe now was false labor.

    By my 3rd little one, I was determined to find a truly VBAC friendly doctor. I struggled throughout the pregnancy trying to find one because my 3rd was conceived through a failed IUD and was not expected. I didn’t have the time I needed. I was literally being banned from local doctor practices because of how I felt and what I wanted. I have a letter from multiple different doctors telling me they were discharging me from their care because I wanted VBAC. I finally settled with a clinic out of the hospital who my first OB had rights to and who performed my first cesarean. It was 2 hours from where I lived. But they had anesthesiologists on site at all times for “in case” an emergency arose.

    My water broke 10 days after my due date. Nearing my due date the doctor who seemed so confident in the VBAC began telling me the baby looked too large to be born naturally. My research said that’s one excuse they will use to encourage cesarean so I ignored him. I rode 2 hours in a cab to this hospital I planned to give birth in with water leaking and contracting.

    I got there around noon and they hooked me up to the monitors and began the epidural (their procedure “in case” something goes wrong) Not much longer they were insisting the baby was in distress but that we couldn’t see it because the monitors weren’t picking it up right because of his position. I told them he seemed fine but they convinced my mother he wasn’t and that he needed a cord attached to his scalp to read his vitals. They basically got the go ahead to hold me down and insert it into me and onto him through my mother. I was of age and married! I was kicking and screaming, alarmed I was being held down against my will. My heart was racing. Once it was in they said the baby was definitely in distress and he had to be born RIGHT NOW. Like I couldn’t see his heart rate or didn’t know that the numbers were normal. They wheeled me in quite literally screaming, “I don’t need a c-section!” Injected me with something that knocked me out until half way through the “birth”. Still groggy I awoke to my mom excited over his size but puzzled by the incision. She noticed before I did and asked the nurse why was the line up and down? The nurse said, “Well, that’s so she can never try for VBAC again.” Just nonchalantly, like that’s what they do everyday!

    So, please, if you think you can’t be forced into a cesarean, think again! You can, as this article states, either by manipulation and twisted facts, playing on a mother’s love for her child and its safety or quite literally, physically and forcefully you may end up in OR because others intervene and think they know what’s best for you and YOUR baby.

    • Oh, Joelene, what a @#$% nightmare. I’m so so sorry for what happened to you. This is just terrible. I hope you are alright, despite what happened to you.

      • What the bloody hell did I just read? Sue the shit out of them. Complain on them every chance you get. Oh man I am beyond furious!

      • I too was forced into having a c section because i had one in the past. staff at the hospital said there were no exception but i had been told differently by my Dr. who wasnt available when i went into labor but after hearing this recount my issue although very angering and upsetting seemed minor compared to the irrespectable horror of this medical facility and its staff.
        i literally gasped in shock at the comment by the nurse and cringed at the thought of mentally what that would have been like. how cruel, cold and barbaric can some persons be?? Those are the type of people you DO NOT want in the field of medicine let alone a place of birth and life !!
        Yet there they are. Is there nothing we can do to prevent such manipulative actions by medical persons BEFORE they do things like this??This is just so unacceptable and wrong in so many ways. This now has me crying and furious over what you had to bare. what a shock it must have been to endure. i am sorry, but there is no reason for educated people to behave like this,
        This is insane that in this day and age, things like this still go on. absolutely absurd!!!! there must be a way to take an informed stand on these matters.
        i would say this boarders at times with undue mental cruelity from the supposed care-givers to the patients who unwillingly become their victims.
        seriously, what can be done???? if we dont speak up it only continues….

  7. I had my first cs at 19 years old after a failed induction at 40 weeks. My second was a planned RCS, because I was told vbac was 50/50 chance and I didn’t think those odds were very good. In my 3rd pregnancy the ob told me no way when I asked about vbac, and my fourth pregnancy the ob said my baby or I would die in a trial of labor. I finally learned to do my own research and have gone on to have four vba3c out of the hospital with supportive midwives. That was 3 unneccessary cs and 4 successful vbacs that would not have happened without supportive providers. I was coerced into believing what they told me and though I was a “lucky” one without complications, who knows what might have happened if I had believed the lies and continued to have cs. Thank you for supporting women and researching for us!!

  8. Honestly I see things in what I say is a more well rounded and unbiased view. I am a Labor and Delivery nurse, who is very supportive of home births. I work in a hospital that has a C-section rate of 18% or less, I have seen many “provider” c-sections, as well as many true emergencies that are often the result of patients refusing them, I have seen babies born damn near close to death, with the most wonderful tracing, and babies with shitty tracing coming out all pretty. Bottom line is that you need to research your provider to death! you need to know what to ask, and most importantly every single mother needs to educate herself on what a c-section entails and what are reasons given for c-sections. ALL mothers! Half the trauma comes from patients that do not know what to expect, both from vaginal and C-sections. VBAC’s at my hospital is the norm. They are almost always encouraged.

    All that said, C-sections can be forced, mostly because patients are so vulnerable at the time, that even educated patients that are told their baby isnt doing well will often go will it. But education, and research pays of, and I often encourage patients in that direction! (without giving recommendations)

    • Hi, so how can we tell if they’re lying about how the baby is doing? What should we ask? Or say?… I had 2 previous Cs & I want this last baby birth to be a VBAC & I’ve heard of all this crap doctors r doing & saying to prevent u from doing it the way u want to. And of course, all the info I try to find, u hv to pay to get it. The place I’m going is called The Birth Place where they support VBAC but they’ll send me to the hospital whenever is time bcz they’re midwife & I won’t meet the doctor til I’m about 32 weeks. It’s a lil scary bcz this doctor might tell me something else at the hospital after all my hopes hv bn raised at The Birth Place. So, I was reading about this & it said that unless the baby or myself or not in danger, we can deny the Cs. The question is, what to ask to see prove if they tell u that the baby is going through stress & a Cs is necessary???

      I’m 5 mth prego

  9. My baby and I would have died without the emergency cesarean. It was still traumatic but we are alive.

  10. With my first, after a very easy, almost pain free non medicated 4 hours of labor I was fully dilated and pushing with the urge to do so. The OB rushed in with several nurses, in a state of panic because the fetal heart rate was not on the screen (baby got very low very fast!) so two nurses forced me onto my back (despite my protests because I felt no pain on hands and knees but on my back the pain became immense) and proceeded to stick an IFM into me with no warning or asking myself or my husband, then told me baby’s heart rate was too low and-because we had compromised on intermittent monitoring-“I don’t know how long it’s been this low. We need to cut you open NOW”
    because I had no epidural, I was put under general anesthesia, but not before I was painfully and forcefully catheterized, which hurt worse than any part of my labor (I learned at my post partum checkup my OB “had to try and get it in 3 times, because his head was so low”). My husband was denied entry to the OR. we both completely missed the birth of our child. I ended up losing a lot of blood and needing a transfusion. I found out at a post partum check up, his heart rate was in the 90s as I was actively contracting and pushing. That is not even close to an emergency situation the OB presented it to be. I also found out they gave him hep B at birth against our wishes. He was bathed in the nursery so we missed that experience as well. They damn near wheeled him off to circumcise him and had I not been holding him, I have no doubt they would have just wheeled him off and done it.. I had severe ppd and ptsd-like symptoms (nightmares, flashbacks, deep depression and anger and obsessing over what happened, panic attacks) for well over a year.
    But no, no, surely forced cesareans NEVER happen. and the way I was treated while pursuing my VBAC any time I was in a medical setting, had I not had a homebirth, I most certainly would have been forced into another cesarean birth.

    • Something like this happened to me, but when I said I didn’t want a c-section both the OB and midwife threatened me by saying I would kill my baby, they might compromise my surgery results, and report me to an ethics board. They said my choices were this, or consenting now to the section. I have a feeling that the “unreasoning heart tones” event after 20 hours of a good heartbeat was a stunt to have a reason for a section. Her apgars were 9, so did I really need it at that moment like they said? Why did they have to threaten me instead of explaining? I don’t know. This wasn’t a Vbac it was a section after 2 vaginal births, but I still didn’t have a choice and was clearly coerced. Even if you stopped them and said No, wait like I did, this is probably what you would have gotten, too. They know what they are doing they practice this script every day .

    • Is there any recourse to this? Our situation was VERY similar with the c section being forced, no consent given, etc. We’re 3 months out and have had terrible days re-living all the horror. PTSD is a good description. It has definitely hurt our relationship with our child too… neither of us were there for his birth. They just brought a baby in later and told us he was ours.

      What can we do? All our bills are coming in for procedures that we didn’t want/need and it makes us re-live everything all over again. Plus it’s about 5 or 6 times what it should be due to them attaching the word “emergency” to everything.

  11. My first birth, and c-section was coerced. I fought long and hard one what what a loosing battle to birth my baby. However, when it came to me consenting to a cs, I was pushed by fear tactics, and threats. I was told, by an OB I had never met before, that if I did not consent within an hour I would loose my right to consent, and the surgery would be under general anesthesia. I was afraid, exhausted, and covered head to toe in a horrible PUPPS rash. I had been transferred into the hospital, one I had never stepped foot in prior to the transfer, and my midwives could not practice there, leaving me in the care of people I did not know. The OB went on to tell me about a “mom like me” who did the same thing and waiting too long to consent, and her baby died during the cs. Once delivered, he never held my baby up for me to see, I did not see her at all until she had been checked up, washed, diapered, and bundled. He was a hateful man, and stole my girl’s first moments from me. I realize now, having had 2 VBACs with wonderful midwives, that she was not coming out any other way, but it didn’t have to be so traumatizing. He wouldn’t even look at the emergency birth plan I had written out just in case.

    • Erin, I’m so sorry for your experience. How traumatic. It sounds like you were planning an out of the hospital birth originally and then transferred to the hospital. Is that correct? If so, there is a group called Homebirth Cesarean that is wonderful. It is support for Mommas who had planned to birth at home or a birth center and ended up transferring for a cesarean. If that fits you, please check them out. I wish you peace and healing.

    • They said that to me, too: my choice was to have the section now or get knocked out and have a section that they wouldn’t do as good a job on. And further, that I would kill my baby and they would report me to an ethics board if I didn’t consent now. I consented after that, but is that really consent?

      • no i believe it is undue coersion while under physical and mental distress.

  12. A friend of friend had her vbac turned rcs with a doctor I interviewed. This doctor had “hospital policy” automatic epidural and “progress normally” which I was told to be 1 cm every hour. I found a different provider, and have now had 2vbacs completely unmedicated, at nearly 42 weeks, and with a midwife. But this fellow mama was talked into scheduling her rcs by being told her baby’s heart beat was of concern. She was not kept for observation or even taken that day for a rcs. They had her schedule for the next week. A baby with an odd heartbeat is usually automatic hospital observation. This was a total scam to convince the mama to agree to another cesarean.

  13. This comment sums it all up.

    “Some people suggest that parents should learn how to interpret fetal heart tones so they can evaluate their baby’s status. But I think this is a wholly unreasonable expectation for non-medical professionals, especially when one is in labor. It is as much an art as it is a science.”

    You are asking non-medical people (the laboring woman and her partner) to tell nurses and physicians that they are wrong about the need for a cesarean when you don’t think they should even take an 8 hr. class to learn to interpret heart tones.
    Yet, you insist that those same non-medical people know enough about birth to override the art, science, and experience that the nurses and doctors have acquired through thousands of birth.
    Cognitive dissonance?

    • Linda,

      I think parents should hire providers that they trust. If they want to VBAC, they also need to find a provider who is supportive. Unfortunately, some parents hire providers who aren’t really supportive of VBAC thinking that they can either convince them otherwise or that they can simply refuse surgery in the heat of the moment. It’s just not that easy. Finding a provider that you trust who is supportive of VBAC is paramount. And if parents see red flags, they should seek a second opinion.



  14. I was forced through lies and fear, with my first and only pregnancy, when I wasn’t even in labor. “Your BP is 135/90 and that’s dangerously high. You need an emergency C today!” I know now that’s not emergency high. I’ll always feel that they stole something from me and my child: the experience of a natural birth.


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Jen Kamel

Jen Kamel is the CEO and Founder of VBAC Facts®. Since 2007, their focus has been to provide objective, accurate information about the data available on vaginal birth after cesarean and repeat cesarean to parents, professionals, policymakers, and the court so all decisions can be informed, ethical, and just. In this capacity, she creates educational courses for parents and CE trainings for professionals as a Continuing Education Provider through the California Board of Registered Nursing. She speaks at conferences around the world on the VBAC evidence as well as presents Grand Rounds at individual hospitals. In her ongoing efforts to educate policymakers on the VBAC evidence, she has testified multiple times in front of the California Medical Board and a variety of other regulatory committees as well as have consulted on legislation and regulation in multiple states. She serves as an expert witness and consultant in legal proceedings so the court may make its deliberations on the medical research rather than conventional wisdom.

Jen Kamel

Jen Kamel is the CEO and Founder of VBAC Facts®. Since 2007, their focus has been to provide objective, accurate information about the data available on vaginal birth after cesarean and repeat cesarean to parents, professionals, policymakers, and the court so all decisions can be informed, ethical, and just. In this capacity, she creates educational courses for parents and CE trainings for professionals as a Continuing Education Provider through the California Board of Registered Nursing. She speaks at conferences around the world on the VBAC evidence as well as presents Grand Rounds at individual hospitals. In her ongoing efforts to educate policymakers on the VBAC evidence, she has testified multiple times in front of the California Medical Board and a variety of other regulatory committees as well as have consulted on legislation and regulation in multiple states. She serves as an expert witness and consultant in legal proceedings so the court may make its deliberations on the medical research rather than conventional wisdom.

Free Handout Debunks...

There is a bit of myth and mystery surrounding what the American College of OB/GYNs (ACOG) says about VBAC, so let’s get to the facts, straight from the mouth of ACOG via their latest VBAC guidelines.

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